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good afternoon good evening and good

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night ladies and gentlemen I am your

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host of crusade or Jesu gir and you have

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entered the den da floor pull your chair

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up to the fire and grab the glasses of

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scotch because we're gonna learn some

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cool [\h__\h] tonight courtesy of dr. Bryan

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Keating author of one of the top

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non-fiction books on amazon.com losing

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the Nobel Prize and actually unless you

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know a little bit of a secret this is

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actually a pre-record

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the night we were supposed to do this

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show I had pretty well every single

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piece of equipment

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I had the studio go almost up in flames

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my preamp went completely digital

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can't even use that I guess our complete

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fed-up Bram bleep that one out almost up

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in flames

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my preamp once completed you know I lost

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a lot of my equipment and we just

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recently updated the studio at the time

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and yeah basically I have to go and pull

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a bunch of equipment out of closet

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together the actual interview going is

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supposed to be two hours I think we've

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got down to about 45 minutes to an hour

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or so and then also we have none other

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than Bernie Taylor good friend the show

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who joined us in afterwards to get

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continue the show with an extra amend 'm

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or denim commend them for Dan thank you

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talk on the cosmic egg

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which is kind of just one of those

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interesting theories in philosophy

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regards to the Big Bang and you know

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Bryan Keating is actually one of the top

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astrophysicist on a planet so I felt

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absolutely horrible

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with regards to this particular

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interview considering it was supposed to

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be it is one of our biggest shows ever

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and I'm very glad and very proud to be

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able to present this to you thanking

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Bram for the Edit and for Denver for

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being a very cool chap in between

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recording to lend his big sexy voice to

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the intro now Bryan is a professor of

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physics at the center of astrophysics

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and space sciences in the Department of

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Physics at the University of California

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in San Diego he's a public speaker

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inventor and an expert in the study of

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the universe's oldest light the Cosmic

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Microwave Background

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which is being used to learn about the

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origins and evolution of the universe

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and which i think is actually quite cool

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and you know we talk all about ancient

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history on the show you can't get really

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get much more ancient history than the

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beginning of time and dr. Keating's is a

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pioneer in at the search for the

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earliest physical evidence of the

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inflationary epoch which is that era

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right after the Big Bang when the

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universe was expanding very rapidly the

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theorized period of expansion in space

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in the early universe directly after the

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Big Bang physicists excuse me physicists

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predict that this evidence will reveal

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itself as a particular pattern in the

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way the CMB light is polarized and this

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pattern is referred to as a beat mode

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pattern and this book is actually with

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regards to not necessarily the findings

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but the story of one of the most

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groundbreaking discoveries in

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astrophysics and physics in the last

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hundred hundred and fifty years and at

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one point there was a lot of clamor with

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regards to mr. Keating's winning a Nobel

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Prize and we'll are asleep

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book is called losing the Nobel Prize

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it's unfortunate to say he did not get

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it but the reason of why is a story of

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heartache and triumph and self-discovery

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and a heck of a lot of love and I'm

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honestly like I'm in love with the book

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I read it in about like two three days

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after I got it in the mail it it all has

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to change my mind as far as what the

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significance of the Nobel Prize is what

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it holds to scientists and and how that

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kind of equates to very large pinnacle

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prizes and in other fields and it gave

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me a really good perspective on what's

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really important and you know I'm very

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proud no matter what happened with the

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preparation for this interview to have

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the pleasure and the honor to have had

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this interview with dr. Keating and I do

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honestly hope that you all enjoy it and

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enjoy this episode with dr. Bryan

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ladies and gentlemen if you are just

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joining in you missed me

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tearing apart about three different

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mixers about 15 different hookups with

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dr. Keating here looking at the ceiling

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from my phone and I'm fairly certain

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that I probably taught you a few

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Croatian swear words and so yeah so I

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think things are in good shape now I've

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moved on to other projects still you

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know tangentially involved with bicep

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but but the day-to-day leadership and

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participation that I'm involved with

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yeah that project is a an enormous

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collaboration of 200 plus scientists

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from every continent in the world and

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including Antarctica and this project

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will be building an array of telescopes

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of enormous size in the Atacama Desert

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of northern Chile and it's same you know

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kind of scientific goals are to study

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the universe's origin how the universe

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evolved and what the universe is made of

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and that's gonna take place beginning

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observations in about 18 months and then

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lasting for hopefully about a decade now

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for this year you're speaking of of the

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array telescopes that would let's say if

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you've got one North America one in

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large as the sterno

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it's not that that's called

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interferometry okay this is a normal

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camera like an imaging camera like your

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point-and-shoot DSLR except it works

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with microwaves so tax heat from the Big

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you know your kids face most people out

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there knowing cool or as we say here

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cool [\h__\h] is pretty cool yeah what would

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be the importance or significance of

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being able to image and understand that

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that air a little better well you'd be

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able to really understand the origin of

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everything so if you think about like if

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you see a little baby and you want to

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know what that baby's gonna look like in

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the future there's some software you can

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accurate so instead what the early

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universe is simple in one sense that the

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properties and constituents are

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well-known and well-understood how the

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forces and matter interact so if you can

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universe you could then predict what the

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universe would look like deep into the

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future and that's what we're trying to

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do with these telescopes what are some

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of the obstacles especially with what

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you've gone through knowing that you've

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you know for for this this group this

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graven Idol and I know you you mentioned

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that in one of your one of your

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interviews you've basically spent on it

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and kind of thrown it to the dogs as it

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were and said okay we'll have what you

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will and kind of mean it but not

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necessarily made it lose its luster but

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you you made allowed people to appear

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behind the veil to take away some of the

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mystique much pushback you getting with

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these new programs knowing that you've

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done this knowing that you may have

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people who well may curse your name on a

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daily basis yeah you have to take a take

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a stand and for me the taking of the

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stand came down to I'd been confronted

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with this with this Idol with this with

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this demigod like status of Alfred Nobel

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and and these prizes and ice began to

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wonder why is it so and why why does

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society venerate this prize is given out

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by you know five hundred white Swedish

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guys every year and they give it out you

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know predominantly to their people that

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are connected or have power and it

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really distorts the playing field you

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I did an event a book signing last night

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and somebody asked well you know well

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isn't it great that competition is

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engendered by the Nobel Prize and I said

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it can be good but it can also be very

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unfair because the rich get richer and

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the more funding you have in the more

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Nobel Prizes are on your staff and the

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more teammates that you can promote in

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that way the more money the more

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researched and more time than we're

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funding everything comes to you so the

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playing field becomes very unfair and

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ultimately the Nobel Prize is

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essentially a monopoly their prizes were

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three times as much money as the Nobel

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Prize that are given to physicists and

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astronomers and there's many of them

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there's like two or three that are worth

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twice or three times as mine you'll only

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get only in quotes but only get if you

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win the whole Nobel Prize by yourself

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and nobody has done that in 25 years but

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if you do and you don't share it with

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two other people you get a million

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dollars before taxes and then you come

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back to America you get a half a million

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dollars because you get taxes taken out

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and every which way but loose and then

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so you're left with a half a million

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dollars and and that's no not chump

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change but you can't really do you know

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that that would pay for about two a

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graduate student and a postdoc working

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in your lab for five years so I mean

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it's nice but it's it's not it's not

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extraordinary in terms of what's

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required to do big scientific project

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but these same people that win it

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they'll say things like well I wouldn't

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you know or people that win a prize

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that's worth ten times as much as that

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will say well I would trade that in a

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second for a Nobel Prize I think that

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speaks to the you know the lustrous

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idolatrous nature of the Nobel Prize and

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so yeah I mean I think that there will

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be people that will be upset about it

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because it's an industry that's very

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powerful one in Sweden and Norway and

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they take these things very seriously

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and they don't like to change until they

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have like a sex scandal which is out

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breaking in the Nobel Prize in

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Literature causing the king of Sweden to

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get involved because it's so prestigious

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and so important an existential threat

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to the nation's identity so I don't

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expect them to react well I have had

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conversations with members of the

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Swedish royal academy that choose the

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Nobel Prize and they say they agree with

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me you know confidentially and I have

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had Nobel Prize winners read the book

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and I haven't heard complaints from the

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so you know I think people agree with it

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and I don't think there'll be you know

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much public kind of disagreement that

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people will say sour grapes and sore

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loser and I'm used to hearing that but

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you know if you if the criterion to

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criticize something is that you have to

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have won it then nobody should criticize

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well well if you've ever watched this

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show at least one when we don't have any

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technical difficulties you know that

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we've done shows on Donald Trump and

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there are there there's winning and then

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there's cheating to win you can't

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necessarily say he won but at the same

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time it's like okay we've had 45 other

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people who've won it before more people

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have won the Nobel Prize still is less

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people than I think have been Pope it's

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not it's late it's not as good as the

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new hotness is you can't win it

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posthumously so the duration over which

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it did it in an ultra opaque ceremony

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and process that I was a part of as I

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nominated the winners of the 2016 Nobel

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Prize just randomly they asked me to

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nominate the winners for 2016 and if you

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make it through it all that you know and

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you have a lot of luck in perseverance

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in good health and evil in your 27 28 30

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years old it means you have to live to

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at least be 70 and most people don't do

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the Nobel work until they're 40 which

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means the average age of Nobel you know

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just a few months after he would have

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been eligible to win the Nobel Prize and

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instead his rightful share went to a

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third person so so it's very it's very

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capricious and so I and it's not that's

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in itself as it shows you that it's not

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a scientific process if you know if the

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discovery is great and and a person dies

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the day before the escape and they won't

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get that's not scientific well you also

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have to look at it we offer from the

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philosophical sample it's like if you're

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dead we're gonna do with 33,000 sorry

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150 or parts I for my maths a little bit

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off yeah

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what million dollars or yeah well that's

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true but but then imagine you know what

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they're what they say when they win it

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and how their kids feel about it and you

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know the kids the parents were away the

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father was away I mean it's mostly men

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who win it because no woman has won in

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54 years and nobody understands exactly

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why that is but

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but some have suspicions about it but

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you know they let them let their family

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you know get get some of the the

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accolade that their father you know

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their brother their husband earned or

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the you know hopefully their wife their

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sister their mother and I think that

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that's it's you know it's it's not

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correct to assume that there's no harm

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from doing that because actually the

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Nobel Prize

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Quorra Nate's physics royalty forever

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and it also enshrouds the scientific

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discoveries in the Canon of scientific

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history so we teach you know science and

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we'll point out when a given experiment

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won the Nobel Prize in the given field

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and that's very common way of certifying

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science and accomplishments by these

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accolades that are won and so if the

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person dies their name is written out of

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history that's not fair speaking of

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family you know obviously you're you're

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a family man you're married you've got

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you've got kids you're you've recently

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welcomed and you went into the world or

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to actually what mistaken that's right

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I'm a very respected day it was April 15

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that's my birthday actually it's a good

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so actually in America oh they will be

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fine probably just a tad annoying maybe

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a little bit egotistical and and have a

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very good taste for scotch but don't

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don't worry just go with it

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I'm a new father myself I have a

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daughter she's well almost five months

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old at a point oh my goodness I'm so

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tired yeah it's my first one and like

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reading this book and from the message

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you've been sending there there's

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honestly a lot of inspiration like I'm

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this is this is something that I

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actually want my daughter to read when

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she's growing up to be able to kind of

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understand the inner workings of the

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world and how things work and and and

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know that like yeah there's well people

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out there who'd like to be able to keep

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things for themselves it shouldn't stop

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you from from reaching forward and

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actually trying to change something

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which is what your trip which is

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essentially what you're trying to do

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you're trying to light that spark of

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inspiration for for positive change for

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for the community and the world as a

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whole that's right now

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sorry go go ahead yeah I mean

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exactly so in my and my daughter's I

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have two daughters now and in in their

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room they have a portrait of Maria Mayer

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who is the last female winner of the

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Nobel Prize in Physics and I didn't put

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up you know Shania Twain or whoever the

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music star is over there and and I

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didn't put up you know Venus Williams or

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some great athlete I wanted to put up a

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figure of intellectual merit merit that

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was unrivaled in in terms of her

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accomplishments but even Maria Mayer

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said that winning the prize was in his

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fun nearly as doing the work that led to

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it you know there there was some guy

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Turner exactly who it was but like life

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is struggle and it's not it's not the

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the pursuit of happiness but it's it's

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the constantly trying to improve

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yourself so that you can look you're

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happy in the actual doing not not in the

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actual account that's right mm-hmm

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because it's during that journey that

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people grow that's where the discovery

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of well many things happens about

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yourself about the subject matter and

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for yourself considering the sheer

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amount of some trials or tribulations

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that you've that you've experienced

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during this this writing process how

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have you changed as an individual

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what's your hero's journey yeah I mean I

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think for me the journey has been to

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recognize that these gilded accolades

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these idols these these you know

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pinnacles of success it should not

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define me and actually it's the hero's

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journey that matters not the gilded

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destination of Stockholm Sweden and I

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think that's come in to really

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crystalline relief and and really

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demonstrate to me what matters in

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science and what also matters outside of

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science and it's the relationships the

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connections the the bonds that are made

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between people that are most important

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both inside and outside of the lab and

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how was the relationship with flight

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let's say your students or you know your

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immediate colleagues changed have they

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seen you in a different lights well I

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mean the book

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thankfully has been extremely well

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received it's gotten the reviews as one

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of the top 10 best books of the month on

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Amazon out of you know tens of thousands

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that come out each month and it was also

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selected as one of the six best books of

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the season by nature magazine

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you know she's arguably one of the most

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prestigious magazines and all of science

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got fantastic reviews in science and and

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in science news and just just very

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thrilled overall to the reception from

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my writing and I think you know the

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clarity of the presentation that I'm

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being told that I that I have provided

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is really you know is really speaking

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volumes to people and so you know that's

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whatever you author wants is to have

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people read it of course you know I

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trade I trade you know 100 readers today

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for one read or a hundred years from now

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and and I hope they the themes and and

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the lessons of the book won't just be

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taken away oh the Nobel Prizes bad or

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oak cosmology is so confusing or

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whatever but that really it's the it's

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the kind of stoic approach to to

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handling setbacks adversity etc I say

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you know the book is written for anyone

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who didn't win a Nobel Prize but it's

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also written for anyone who didn't win

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an Oscar or a high school senior class

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presidency because you have to be

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comfortable with who you are and not to

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find yourself by how are you know

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external arbitrary capricious rules and

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these deem your worthy and you know in

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my early career I was I'm not ashamed to

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say I did succumb to that fallacy but

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not never again and I do feel like I'm

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gonna communicate that message both to

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my biological children but also to my

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ideological children those that are

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and like understanding that that idea

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those are those are those trappings that

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like I've written in the advertising

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world you know if you can call it a

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science it's more of an art I just like

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to make pretty pictures and get paid for

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me

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well what whenever went through college

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we always had the aspiration to be like

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Don Draper where you know you you have

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the corner office and like the bar at

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work what you consider will do don't get

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me wrong

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yeah that at some point you kind of

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become bitter and changed and to a

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certain I see you realize that it's

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whatever it's portrayed in media and

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whatever it's been put on this pedestal

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to be isn't actually it and then you

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realize you don't want that anymore and

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that discovery you know can either break

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people or it can challenge them to be

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you know to be better and for you you've

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you've written this you know this is

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this work which you know has been

545
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probably more I'll receive than any

546
00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:33,840
science slash memoir I've I think ever

547
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:36,360
I've ever seen you know I think it was

548
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:39,120
also an astronomy magazine which is an

549
00:22:47,390 --> 00:22:45,600
amazing publication like are are you

550
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:47,400
afraid and yeah this is more this is

551
00:22:51,740 --> 00:22:48,810
more of a personal question on this but

552
00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:51,750
still ties into the main like are you

553
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:53,580
afraid that the idea or the trappings of

554
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:55,530
the success from the book may still lead

555
00:22:59,840 --> 00:22:57,690
you to that you know to that same that

556
00:23:02,810 --> 00:22:59,850
same itch or yeah you somebody that's

557
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,820
very they're very good yeah I mean one

558
00:23:07,790 --> 00:23:05,280
of my friends who is uh she's she's kind

559
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:07,800
of a social media maven that I know and

560
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:10,770
she's been keeping track and posting all

561
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:12,600
my stuff on Twitter cuz I just I don't

562
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:15,210
have the time for it and it's just such

563
00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:17,490
a such a wonderful person but she said

564
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:18,900
you know with like all these accolades

565
00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:21,090
coming in from nature science science

566
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:24,120
news and Forbes everywhere you know

567
00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:25,290
she's like you're gonna have to add

568
00:23:29,540 --> 00:23:26,820
another accolade to your title

569
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:29,550
best-selling author and I said you know

570
00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:30,930
and that's exactly what you're asked and

571
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:32,910
I think you know I said to her you know

572
00:23:37,130 --> 00:23:35,520
what that that's you know nice of you to

573
00:23:39,650 --> 00:23:37,140
say but I think that's another Idol I

574
00:23:42,020 --> 00:23:39,660
think that literally would be so

575
00:23:44,270 --> 00:23:42,030
hypocritical for me to say I just want

576
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,280
to be a best-selling author and have

577
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:45,840
that on my you know if that was all it

578
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:48,690
was about you know I looked back at you

579
00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:50,970
know an author like me who got a tiny

580
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:52,710
advance you know from their publisher

581
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:55,050
but it really wasn't about the money it

582
00:23:59,090 --> 00:23:56,820
was about you know kind of taking on the

583
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:59,100
sacred cow and telling the story that's

584
00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:00,840
so fascinating about how he came to

585
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:02,700
understand our place in the universe and

586
00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:04,710
how we succumb to the same kind of

587
00:24:11,270 --> 00:24:08,790
biases and forces that that that

588
00:24:13,940 --> 00:24:11,280
you know even made people like Galileo

589
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:13,950
make mistakes so I want that to be the

590
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:16,110
takeaway not not you know oh this is how

591
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:18,450
it performed or this is you know that

592
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:21,930
the metrics for success don't lie in you

593
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:25,770
know sales pitches or a rule or even the

594
00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:26,690
Nobel Prize

595
00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:29,280
have you considered either public

596
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:30,600
speaking or motivational speaking

597
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:32,460
because I know that that is it's it's a

598
00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:34,980
very big industry and you do have a very

599
00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:39,030
good basis for at least being able to

600
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,600
teach people and your best way to put it

601
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:44,880
you're walking talking demonstration of

602
00:24:50,150 --> 00:24:46,290
how to be able to overcome adversity and

603
00:24:51,770 --> 00:24:50,160
and and you know grow from it in a

604
00:24:54,220 --> 00:24:51,780
positive light and not just kind of

605
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:54,230
wither away and let let let setbacks

606
00:24:58,940 --> 00:24:57,090
you'll end them as it were yeah it's

607
00:25:01,580 --> 00:24:58,950
very kind of you to say you know I think

608
00:25:03,970 --> 00:25:01,590
I'll be interested to see how the you

609
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:03,980
know how the public you know does

610
00:25:08,780 --> 00:25:06,120
integrate the messages that I'm

611
00:25:10,790 --> 00:25:08,790
providing in the book it's it's not it's

612
00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:10,800
not you know every day that people like

613
00:25:15,050 --> 00:25:12,390
to have cosmologists you know come and

614
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:15,060
give a give a talk to a bunch of you

615
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:17,880
know people and a self-help for what I

616
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:20,250
know I'm certainly open to it I think

617
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,810
personal growth is one the most

618
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:23,760
challenging but important things that

619
00:25:29,150 --> 00:25:27,360
people can do and not a lot of I always

620
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:29,160
forget if I'm right brain or left I

621
00:25:32,030 --> 00:25:30,240
don't know I don't remember which one

622
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:32,040
was which but but a lot of the technical

623
00:25:36,380 --> 00:25:34,290
ones not the artistic spiritual one I

624
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,390
think they are not in touched but

625
00:25:41,060 --> 00:25:39,120
they're the greatness of their you know

626
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:41,070
personal character but also their

627
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:43,500
weaknesses and foibles and so if I could

628
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,570
speak to people like that and kind of

629
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,240
encourage them along the path to you

630
00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:51,120
know to acceptance of their limitations

631
00:25:55,460 --> 00:25:53,400
but also you know kind of striving for

632
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:55,470
the proper proper Amish prints and

633
00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:57,570
dealing with adversity as you say that

634
00:26:00,500 --> 00:25:58,980
would be a great accomplishment you know

635
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,510
I've given one of these TEDx talks

636
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:02,700
before or and I I have a video on

637
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:06,450
YouTube now online university called

638
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:08,340
Prager University that got a million

639
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:11,610
hits in three days so you know I'm very

640
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:13,710
interested yeah I'm very interested in

641
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:15,900
in reaching and communicating to the

642
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:18,450
public the ideas that I've been bouncing

643
00:26:22,460 --> 00:26:21,090
around my brain for the last twenty

644
00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:22,470
years or so

645
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:26,190
and if you're looking at the next 20

646
00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:28,740
years where do you see the the it's kind

647
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,860
of it's like what it's like asking so

648
00:26:35,030 --> 00:26:32,640
what do you think they're gonna discover

649
00:26:38,740 --> 00:26:35,040
in 20 years like we already be able to

650
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:38,750
move through dimensions or you know

651
00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:40,890
there's a lot that's happening in

652
00:26:44,540 --> 00:26:42,600
physics you know it's exponentially

653
00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:44,550
growing and it's hard to predict what's

654
00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:46,200
gonna happen in five years little over

655
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:47,790
20 years I would say we're gonna

656
00:26:54,290 --> 00:26:51,720
understand and map out and and and and

657
00:26:56,660 --> 00:26:54,300
and explore the universe the solar

658
00:26:58,700 --> 00:26:56,670
system much more than we can comprehend

659
00:27:00,430 --> 00:26:58,710
right now I hope that people don't fall

660
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:00,440
into the trap of you know kind of

661
00:27:05,150 --> 00:27:02,970
accepting science only if it leads to

662
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:05,160
technology I think there's there's a

663
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:08,240
virtue in pure science just for its own

664
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:12,930
purpose without regard do you know

665
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:14,370
whether or not it can produce a better

666
00:27:21,020 --> 00:27:17,850
phone or or a microwave oven or sound

667
00:27:21,790 --> 00:27:21,030
mixer it's it's about learning some cool

668
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:21,800
[\h__\h]

669
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:25,620
I've my favorite thing is small either

670
00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:29,610
listening to like just science podcasts

671
00:27:35,420 --> 00:27:31,320
or lectures I've listened to a few of

672
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,430
yours before the dealing with

673
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:37,200
astrophysics can be a very daunting

674
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:39,450
subject people will think that it's

675
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:41,670
astronomy astrology and a little bit of

676
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:44,250
you know physics mixed in there because

677
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:48,960
it has that word right there is the

678
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:51,000
standard definition to you to you what

679
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:53,490
is it that you do like how do you see

680
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:56,690
your work in the most abstract

681
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:00,240
high-minded way possible yeah I mean

682
00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:02,970
what I'm trying to do is to illustrate

683
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:05,820
how we build the instruments that come

684
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:09,090
to give us the interpretations that we

685
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:10,890
now have about the universe so in other

686
00:28:15,380 --> 00:28:13,410
words you know what are the tools that

687
00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:15,390
astronomers used from the time of

688
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:17,460
Galileo it's really the first person to

689
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:20,850
use a tool to see the heavens and and

690
00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:24,110
how those advances in technology in

691
00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:27,750
computation in and then allied with

692
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,360
theoretical progress how that can really

693
00:28:34,220 --> 00:28:32,640
take us to the BET to the to the you

694
00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:34,230
know the promised land of really going

695
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:36,270
back as far as you can

696
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:38,220
and hopefully someday answering the

697
00:28:42,530 --> 00:28:40,380
question that I would like to ask you

698
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:42,540
know God or you know other nature which

699
00:28:47,150 --> 00:28:44,940
is what happened 15 minutes before the

700
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,160
Big Bang I don't think that that

701
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,200
question is really understood right now

702
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:51,600
I think it is a well posed question

703
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,370
despite what the late great Stephen

704
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:55,500
Hawking said and I think that there's a

705
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:57,570
chance we can understand what did happen

706
00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:59,340
for really the first time in human

707
00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:00,900
history and I think that's an exciting

708
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:02,820
exciting time to be alive

709
00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:07,050
I'm a very big I'm not even for a big

710
00:29:14,270 --> 00:29:09,030
proponent I believe that most likely

711
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:14,280
that we're probably a 3d hologram on the

712
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:16,050
surface of 40 black hole that's kind of

713
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:19,170
my maya standpoint and we're 15 minutes

714
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:20,490
ago I think we're just like belched out

715
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,290
into this universe from you know

716
00:29:28,910 --> 00:29:24,480
wherever we came from I could get way

717
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:28,920
wrong but it seems the most logical with

718
00:29:33,890 --> 00:29:31,110
with a limited amount of inter and train

719
00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:33,900
that I have what's your take on it well

720
00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:37,190
it's kind of your you know crazy a hub

721
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:39,929
my pictures are alternatives to the

722
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:43,050
inflationary model that posit that there

723
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:46,200
was not indeed just just nothingness

724
00:29:50,660 --> 00:29:48,510
before the Big Bang but instead there

725
00:29:53,390 --> 00:29:50,670
was another universe that existed before

726
00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:53,400
that collapse upon itself and that the

727
00:29:59,090 --> 00:29:55,910
fiery death throes of that universe

728
00:30:00,980 --> 00:29:59,100
provided the raw materials the the iron

729
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:00,990
and the coke and everything else that

730
00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:03,690
was needed to produce the universe that

731
00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:06,630
we inhabit today and there's some

732
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:07,950
compelling reasons to think that might

733
00:30:12,740 --> 00:30:10,679
be true and the tools and technology

734
00:30:14,419 --> 00:30:12,750
that we're working on may indeed answer

735
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,429
that question you know in my

736
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,559
professional lifetime and I'm working to

737
00:30:23,419 --> 00:30:18,960
be you know leaving the team that will

738
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:23,429
accomplish that and with your new

739
00:30:28,180 --> 00:30:25,110
experiments and works that are going to

740
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:28,190
be coming up in the next couple of years

741
00:30:33,770 --> 00:30:31,650
how can people learn more about it so we

742
00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:33,780
have we've constructed a telescope

743
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:35,790
called the Simon's Observatory or we've

744
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,170
constructed a collaboration called

745
00:30:42,380 --> 00:30:39,120
Simon's Observatory and you can go to

746
00:30:44,540 --> 00:30:42,390
Simon's Observatory org in order to

747
00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:44,550
follow what we're doing there my own

748
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:46,919
personal work is is that my website

749
00:30:51,530 --> 00:30:49,500
Bryan Keating com

750
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:51,540
and we've also set up a community called

751
00:30:57,260 --> 00:30:54,810
losing the Nobel Prize org for people to

752
00:30:59,710 --> 00:30:57,270
advocate for change and Reformation of

753
00:31:03,320 --> 00:30:59,720
the Nobel Prize so that it can someday

754
00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:03,330
represent the the noble institution I

755
00:31:10,910 --> 00:31:06,360
think that Alfred Nobel desired for the

756
00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:10,920
benefit of all mankind and I like that I

757
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:12,180
don't know that everyone else out there

758
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:14,910
like that yeah and I know that you've

759
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:16,290
been extremely patient with our

760
00:31:19,220 --> 00:31:17,580
technical difficulties you have to

761
00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:19,230
overcome adversity and we still have to

762
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:21,030
make it happen that's right I will edit

763
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:23,130
this down I'll make sure you get a nice

764
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:26,520
succinct twenty thirty minutes okay

765
00:31:32,660 --> 00:31:30,570
interview from this and I know you but

766
00:31:35,270 --> 00:31:32,670
everything you say at least to me is

767
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:35,280
gold because we we have had very few

768
00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:37,710
actual scientists on the show nine and

769
00:31:42,830 --> 00:31:39,750
you would be the first astrophysicists

770
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:42,840
we've had and for my own personal views

771
00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:46,650
is like this is cool okay I very much

772
00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:48,360
enjoy talking with you Chris and I'm

773
00:31:53,540 --> 00:31:51,630
gonna continue to support you and look

774
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:53,550
forward to maybe another interview

775
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:56,370
someday as well let me let me iron out

776
00:32:01,700 --> 00:31:58,860
the the new preamp and the compressor

777
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:01,710
and the because the connections are the

778
00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:04,290
same it's just you know think things

779
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:05,640
happen and just have to roll with the

780
00:32:10,460 --> 00:32:08,940
punches as it were absolutely oh all

781
00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:10,470
right let you go I know you've got a

782
00:32:15,980 --> 00:32:12,390
long night ahead of you and yeah thank

783
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:15,990
you very much thanks Chris oh talking to

784
00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:17,570
you and have a wonderful night Musil

785
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:29,560
ladies and gentlemen we are back revived

786
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:31,590
and you're probably wondering what the

787
00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:34,290
heck has been going on well I said well

788
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:40,260
well I can tell you we have a dedication

789
00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:43,260
to try and improve the show and there

790
00:32:49,870 --> 00:32:45,030
has been some I'm gonna say some major

791
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:49,880
investments in you know some equipment

792
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:51,750
that are supposed to be able to bring us

793
00:32:57,380 --> 00:32:55,080
more of a professional sound and

794
00:33:01,160 --> 00:32:57,390
unfortunately it seems that all of the

795
00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:01,170
last 30 hours of non-stop work that I've

796
00:33:05,450 --> 00:33:02,820
put into the new studio and testing and

797
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,460
apparently did not work so now I'm

798
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,960
actually just back onto the old mixer

799
00:33:10,340 --> 00:33:08,880
I'm actually recording the century the

800
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:10,350
same way we did when we first started

801
00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:13,740
the show so there you go and what better

802
00:33:18,370 --> 00:33:16,260
person able to kind of invite back on is

803
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:18,380
the second part of our little program

804
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,650
one of our favorite and biggest guests

805
00:33:25,550 --> 00:33:23,760
and a good friend of the show and

806
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:25,560
somebody that I just love talking to

807
00:33:31,220 --> 00:33:28,710
because he's awesome mr. Bernie Taylor

808
00:33:34,570 --> 00:33:31,230
Bernie how you doing I'm doing great

809
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:34,580
Chris thanks for having me on the show

810
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,930
everybody should know Brian I was

811
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:38,640
supposed to be back-to-back on the same

812
00:33:43,460 --> 00:33:40,740
show together I'm in synchrony and do

813
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,470
some dialogue he is a great book loser

814
00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:46,080
Nobel I preach I really appreciate his

815
00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:47,790
work that the effort he put into it and

816
00:33:53,270 --> 00:33:50,220
we're gonna pick up on some of those

817
00:33:56,420 --> 00:33:53,280
themes from a different perspective as

818
00:33:59,300 --> 00:33:56,430
we go forward today and I think I

819
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,310
figured out what the echo problem was so

820
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:00,720
I think you should are you hearing echo

821
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:04,320
on my side sort of okay well I'm not

822
00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:05,640
getting the clipping that I was before

823
00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:07,680
on the line so I haven't actually used

824
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:09,990
this mixer for about a year and a half

825
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:12,210
and it's kind of like going you know

826
00:34:15,620 --> 00:34:13,800
like it when you move back in to your

827
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:15,630
parents house or you go to visit your

828
00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:17,490
you see your old room and nothing's

829
00:34:22,340 --> 00:34:19,020
changed but you don't remember where

830
00:34:25,220 --> 00:34:22,350
anything is but you - well you sort of

831
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:25,230
have a higher higher pitch version of

832
00:34:31,610 --> 00:34:27,330
Darth Vader at the moment I'm okay with

833
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:31,620
it well I I will attempt to not invite

834
00:34:36,290 --> 00:34:34,649
people over to the dark side but I hope

835
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:36,300
that everyone does enjoy

836
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,560
the presentation because I know that you

837
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:39,540
have mentioned the cosmic egg and I

838
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:41,010
think we kind of mentioned it on the

839
00:34:46,820 --> 00:34:41,609
show

840
00:34:48,889 --> 00:34:46,830
I like Brian's very good at explaining

841
00:34:52,579 --> 00:34:48,899
things obviously as a professor you have

842
00:34:54,349 --> 00:34:52,589
to you have to be her or he probably

843
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:54,359
wouldn't have been able to get to the

844
00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:58,290
level he is at I can understand the core

845
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:01,080
concepts you know the beginning and

846
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:02,940
where it came from which is why I wanted

847
00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:04,260
to be able to talk to you about it

848
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:07,380
because it's interesting as hell to me

849
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:09,450
what why don't you kind of roll us into

850
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:11,310
it and we can we can you know take

851
00:35:14,589 --> 00:35:13,710
things to get things going take things

852
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,599
off

853
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,800
absolutely Brian's brilliant so this is

854
00:35:20,089 --> 00:35:18,000
a tough act to follow

855
00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:20,099
um we're gonna we're gonna jump into the

856
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,680
cosmic gag as a singularity and the big

857
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,720
bet we talk about the Big Bang which

858
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,400
everything came from something and

859
00:35:33,140 --> 00:35:29,040
there's that striking of the match of

860
00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:33,150
what Brian was seeking to explore but

861
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:35,820
from before we had science as we know

862
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:38,010
today we've had that singularity that

863
00:35:42,859 --> 00:35:39,960
big explosion and we call it the cosmic

864
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:42,869
egg and people around the world have

865
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:45,450
this myth this myth of singularity and

866
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:47,730
the Dogon of Africa the people have the

867
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:50,040
cirrus be the people Norse people the

868
00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:53,910
Vedic people who are in now on India the

869
00:35:58,849 --> 00:35:56,310
Orphic Greek the Chinese Egyptians and

870
00:36:02,089 --> 00:35:58,859
the Chinese this is an image from

871
00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:02,099
ancient Chinese that's Penghu and Pangu

872
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:04,680
breaks through from the cosmic egg to

873
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:06,540
create order and you can see kind of the

874
00:36:11,050 --> 00:36:08,130
yin and yang in that image and that is

875
00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:11,060
the origin of the Chinese yin and yang

876
00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:17,099
so it's a it's a universal myth but it's

877
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,900
also a universal image and this is I

878
00:36:25,849 --> 00:36:23,280
would suggest that this is one of the

879
00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:25,859
earliest cosmic eggs in South Africa

880
00:36:29,570 --> 00:36:27,540
there are ostrich shells dating to about

881
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:29,580
60,000 years ago it's a few things

882
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:31,500
unique about these ostrich shells one is

883
00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:33,000
they have some of the oldest patterns

884
00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:35,700
that we've that humans have made and

885
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:40,200
these patterns are decorated shells 25

886
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,780
shells they were broken and then they

887
00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:45,119
were thrown into the flames and that's

888
00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:47,430
why we have the different discoloration

889
00:36:53,660 --> 00:36:49,859
on the same shells

890
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:53,670
so it's possible that this could be one

891
00:36:59,630 --> 00:36:55,890
of the symbols for that original cosmic

892
00:37:02,329 --> 00:36:59,640
egg you had me on the show a few weeks

893
00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:02,339
ago a few months ago and we had this

894
00:37:08,180 --> 00:37:06,150
masked man here this masked cosmic man

895
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:08,190
and in his right hand he holds the

896
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,249
cosmic egg and his left hand is against

897
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:14,160
the wall and he's the mask is of an

898
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:19,619
eagle on one side and a the eye of a man

899
00:37:23,449 --> 00:37:21,180
and the other you can see his chip you

900
00:37:25,339 --> 00:37:23,459
can see his chin and his left leg is

901
00:37:27,380 --> 00:37:25,349
raised and that left hand that's against

902
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:27,390
the wall has the appearance of a

903
00:37:32,479 --> 00:37:29,160
feathered bird which is quite

904
00:37:34,309 --> 00:37:32,489
interesting and we're going to go

905
00:37:39,469 --> 00:37:34,319
forwards so we're going to go jump

906
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:39,479
forwards now to the origin of the Big

907
00:37:44,299 --> 00:37:42,420
Bang what started as the hypothesis of

908
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:44,309
the primeval atom and Brian talks about

909
00:37:49,180 --> 00:37:46,890
that illumise blood on his book by the

910
00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:49,190
belgian priests priests father

911
00:37:56,989 --> 00:37:54,420
georges the Mantor lament er was a pure

912
00:38:00,140 --> 00:37:56,999
physicist and mathematician physicist

913
00:38:04,809 --> 00:38:00,150
and astronomer he of course was a devout

914
00:38:07,999 --> 00:38:04,819
Catholic but he didn't seek to prove

915
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:08,009
religion through science and he came out

916
00:38:12,469 --> 00:38:10,529
with the idea of the of this this

917
00:38:14,539 --> 00:38:12,479
primary atom which was later called the

918
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:14,549
Big Bang and you can see him here across

919
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,369
with where them Einstein and Einstein

920
00:38:22,029 --> 00:38:19,680
said said that as his um math is

921
00:38:26,180 --> 00:38:22,039
incredible but his physics are atrocious

922
00:38:27,859 --> 00:38:26,190
and Pope Pius the 12th came out with

923
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:27,869
this at the same time as the primeval

924
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:31,170
atom and he said this is now proof that

925
00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:32,880
there was a creation therefore there

926
00:38:37,939 --> 00:38:35,400
must be a creator and the mantre came

927
00:38:39,859 --> 00:38:37,949
out against that and said I'm not trying

928
00:38:41,509 --> 00:38:39,869
to prove a creator and he's trying to

929
00:38:44,859 --> 00:38:41,519
distance himself from the Pope I'm

930
00:38:47,299 --> 00:38:44,869
trying to take us forward in science

931
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,309
which is it's just fascinating you know

932
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:49,440
people you know moping Rome about the

933
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:51,180
story of Galileo and the Catholic the

934
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:53,339
Pope and all that sort of stuff 'la

935
00:38:59,599 --> 00:38:55,529
mansion made up for it in spades because

936
00:39:02,160 --> 00:38:59,609
he created the this modern idea of the

937
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:02,170
cosmic egg I'm sorry of the the big

938
00:39:08,970 --> 00:39:06,130
however this big bang that he came up

939
00:39:12,839 --> 00:39:08,980
that the idea itself came from the

940
00:39:15,539 --> 00:39:12,849
cosmic egg so it goes back to that

941
00:39:18,210 --> 00:39:15,549
eternal question what happened first the

942
00:39:20,279 --> 00:39:18,220
chicken or the egg that's we're asking

943
00:39:23,789 --> 00:39:20,289
you know before the big was there

944
00:39:26,370 --> 00:39:23,799
something before the Big Bang and in the

945
00:39:28,319 --> 00:39:26,380
so called and the approach that Brian's

946
00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:28,329
taken in court and no matter is that

947
00:39:33,089 --> 00:39:30,430
there was a singularity that that

948
00:39:35,309 --> 00:39:33,099
everything came from but that's the same

949
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:35,319
question that we have you know was the

950
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:37,660
egg was the chicken and the egg or is

951
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:40,240
the egg and the chicken it's a and so

952
00:39:44,910 --> 00:39:43,089
when people or people from our distant

953
00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:44,920
past and ancients when they sought to

954
00:39:52,859 --> 00:39:47,500
resolve this question of the chicken and

955
00:39:55,950 --> 00:39:52,869
the egg they also took that to what came

956
00:39:57,660 --> 00:39:55,960
first man or the universe or man's

957
00:39:59,220 --> 00:39:57,670
person could be a universe if we don't

958
00:40:01,769 --> 00:39:59,230
perceive it or a universe for us at

959
00:40:03,809 --> 00:40:01,779
least the answer is of course they can

960
00:40:07,380 --> 00:40:03,819
be universe without us but they ask

961
00:40:09,390 --> 00:40:07,390
these questions and we have this we have

962
00:40:11,069 --> 00:40:09,400
this man he rides the horse we saw that

963
00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:11,079
one late earlier we're gonna jump

964
00:40:14,970 --> 00:40:12,220
through some of these slides the

965
00:40:18,329 --> 00:40:14,980
transformation again we have this man

966
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:18,339
with the cosmic egg in one arm is his

967
00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:20,410
front right arm he holds the egg and the

968
00:40:25,799 --> 00:40:23,380
back rear arm he has that that is

969
00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:25,809
feathered and if we go back go back to

970
00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:29,500
the cosmic man we saw earlier the same

971
00:40:34,650 --> 00:40:32,230
feather rear left hand his feathered

972
00:40:38,490 --> 00:40:34,660
which is against the wall and he holds

973
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,500
he holds the egg in his right hand but

974
00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:40,000
it's a different right hand than we just

975
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:42,670
saw this man of the transformation so

976
00:40:45,569 --> 00:40:44,170
we'll take a look back at that so we

977
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:45,579
have this we have a story of a man who's

978
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:48,130
carrying the egg well there's this

979
00:40:53,460 --> 00:40:52,089
cosmic egg and we're gonna jump jack

980
00:40:58,109 --> 00:40:53,470
we're gonna jump down here to another

981
00:41:02,339 --> 00:40:58,119
one and well on the same panel we have a

982
00:41:04,859 --> 00:41:02,349
great awk a great awk is a now extinct

983
00:41:08,009 --> 00:41:04,869
flightless bird something like a penguin

984
00:41:10,049 --> 00:41:08,019
but it's not a penguin and it's the only

985
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:10,059
bird or other than the man who becomes

986
00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:12,490
an eagle and also an eagle itself he's

987
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,540
the only bird on this panel

988
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:18,880
and that the size of the the man was

989
00:41:22,590 --> 00:41:20,290
holding the cosmic egg in his right hand

990
00:41:24,810 --> 00:41:22,600
if you look to base fundamentally the

991
00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:24,820
size of his hands about five inches well

992
00:41:29,580 --> 00:41:27,580
the the the egg of the Great Auk was

993
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:29,590
also about five inches so there's a

994
00:41:38,310 --> 00:41:33,520
commonality between the two this this

995
00:41:40,110 --> 00:41:38,320
Great Auk is has a cosmological

996
00:41:42,330 --> 00:41:40,120
significance as well which we're gonna

997
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:42,340
we're gonna get onto we're just run

998
00:41:45,390 --> 00:41:44,290
through some of these slides that so we

999
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:45,400
can get in perspective we have the

1000
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,880
dolphin spinning dolphin we have the

1001
00:41:52,980 --> 00:41:51,040
theory on trip was the that man we saw

1002
00:41:54,690 --> 00:41:52,990
earlier with the cosmic egg he had picks

1003
00:41:59,400 --> 00:41:54,700
up the tail of the dolphin of the

1004
00:42:02,220 --> 00:41:59,410
dolphin we have the monk seal mentoring

1005
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:02,230
monk seal we have the swimmer going

1006
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:05,110
across the panel we have the red haired

1007
00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:06,910
man at one end which is the southern end

1008
00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:09,580
and the horse we saw earlier was on the

1009
00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:11,670
on the northern end of the panel and

1010
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:14,920
this if anybody's catching we did this

1011
00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:17,110
present these part these slides in the

1012
00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:19,000
presentation a few months ago people go

1013
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,470
back to review them and see where we

1014
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:22,240
were but it was over an over an hour

1015
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:25,690
long and we have the man he's being

1016
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:28,410
lifted by the dolphin really cool image

1017
00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:30,130
reminiscent of something you might see

1018
00:42:35,550 --> 00:42:32,790
in cartoons today or SeaWorld and

1019
00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:35,560
there's the giraffe on this on the

1020
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:37,840
southern end of the panel we have the

1021
00:42:43,170 --> 00:42:41,950
Barbary ape fascinating image we have

1022
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:43,180
the Lions and we actually have the

1023
00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:46,000
lioness looking up to the lion we have

1024
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:50,500
the Bears the mother and her two cubs we

1025
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:56,170
have the reptile the lizard we have the

1026
00:43:04,020 --> 00:42:59,920
woman with a distressed face or

1027
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:04,030
appearance now let's jump to that big

1028
00:43:07,410 --> 00:43:05,770
slide that sly be surely this one's

1029
00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:07,420
important and this ties back into our

1030
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:10,060
our concept of the Big Bang and a cosmic

1031
00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:13,090
egg and and so forth at the top of the

1032
00:43:18,570 --> 00:43:14,470
panel we have that man with the mask

1033
00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:18,580
he's a and he's Hercules B is Agia the

1034
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:23,320
eagle see is Lacerta the lizard D is

1035
00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:26,560
Pegasus the horse E is Pisces which

1036
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:30,070
became that the dolphin F is C does

1037
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:34,000
this which the ancient Greeks saw as a

1038
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:39,960
sea monster but we see it now as a

1039
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:42,970
that's what we see as a seal or the pale

1040
00:43:49,140 --> 00:43:45,130
ethic record their service seal she is

1041
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:49,150
Perseus which is the body of the

1042
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:50,890
elephant which we showed in the previous

1043
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:54,910
presentation I'm H is a ruger which is

1044
00:43:59,700 --> 00:43:58,210
the head of the elephant and I is the

1045
00:44:01,770 --> 00:43:59,710
trunk which becomes Taurus

1046
00:44:04,170 --> 00:44:01,780
Jay is the Lynx which also could be

1047
00:44:08,820 --> 00:44:04,180
another trunk the elephant K is Ursa

1048
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:08,830
Major L is Leo the Lion

1049
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:11,440
M is Gemini which is either the lioness

1050
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:13,630
that's licking up to the lion or the

1051
00:44:18,450 --> 00:44:16,510
Barbary ape or Endor Barbary ape and n

1052
00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:18,460
is Orion at the bottom of the panel and

1053
00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:21,670
we go from north to south on this and so

1054
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:22,870
it's a fascinating it's a fascinating

1055
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,800
image and it tells us a lot about paths

1056
00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:29,440
that the earth and sky are one as in the

1057
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:31,000
Hermetic tradition and you've probably

1058
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:33,730
got chromatic people esoterics on the

1059
00:44:39,060 --> 00:44:34,960
show and they've talked about this

1060
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:39,070
concept of the reflection but this we

1061
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:41,110
can see now where it comes from there's

1062
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:43,290
a few other slides in there as well

1063
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:46,480
Aquarius is that therianthrope it's in

1064
00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:49,930
the same place in the panel and Cygnus

1065
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:54,520
so the arc is Cygnus he's in the right

1066
00:45:00,690 --> 00:44:57,970
place in the panel the the reptile is

1067
00:45:06,030 --> 00:45:00,700
just below him I'm Hercules above him

1068
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:06,040
and Pegasus Pegasus is to his right so

1069
00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:07,570
we have all the characters as the Greeks

1070
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:09,940
saw them except the bird isn't a swan or

1071
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:14,710
a goose it's a great hawk which which

1072
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:20,560
laid the cosmic egg and and this is a

1073
00:45:26,580 --> 00:45:22,630
slide we didn't have in the last last

1074
00:45:27,870 --> 00:45:26,590
one is the constellations as we know

1075
00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:27,880
them today today are most of the

1076
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:29,830
characters and constellations came from

1077
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:31,930
Ptolemy about eighteen hundred years ago

1078
00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:33,310
and he's considered to be the greatest

1079
00:45:38,610 --> 00:45:35,980
astronomy of antiquity and a few of the

1080
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,620
common commonalities that he had between

1081
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:40,720
the pallid ethic record and the

1082
00:45:44,490 --> 00:45:43,930
constellations he made was that the

1083
00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:44,500
constantly

1084
00:45:48,750 --> 00:45:46,990
overlapped each other and that their

1085
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:48,760
imaginary their imaginary pictures

1086
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,090
Without Borders which is not how we do

1087
00:45:56,370 --> 00:45:53,920
today because modern astronomy we've

1088
00:45:57,810 --> 00:45:56,380
created boundaries and the

1089
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,820
constellations that are on the panel

1090
00:46:02,780 --> 00:45:59,680
ethic record that are common with what

1091
00:46:04,590 --> 00:46:02,790
potami found were Aquarius Agia

1092
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:04,600
Capricornus which we don't have in this

1093
00:46:07,650 --> 00:46:05,200
presentation

1094
00:46:11,730 --> 00:46:07,660
see this Cygnus Gemini Hercules Leo

1095
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:11,740
Orion Pegasus Pisces and Ursa Major and

1096
00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:16,600
that's a so Ptolemy had a source a

1097
00:46:22,740 --> 00:46:19,630
source that didn't come from his sight

1098
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,750
alone but he had looked into some record

1099
00:46:28,290 --> 00:46:24,880
whether it be this cave another cave or

1100
00:46:32,670 --> 00:46:28,300
perhaps someone else had written it down

1101
00:46:35,550 --> 00:46:32,680
somewhere and astronomers I'm so

1102
00:46:36,330 --> 00:46:35,560
reluctant astronomer but they there was

1103
00:46:38,750 --> 00:46:36,340
a book called

1104
00:46:42,020 --> 00:46:38,760
titled the crime of Claudius Ptolemy

1105
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:42,030
written by Robert Newton unrelated to

1106
00:46:49,590 --> 00:46:47,440
Isaac Newton and Newton said that Tommy

1107
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,600
is not the greatest astronomer of

1108
00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:51,520
antiquity but he is something still more

1109
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:53,620
unusual he is the most successful fraud

1110
00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:56,800
in the history of science and how Newton

1111
00:47:01,170 --> 00:46:59,050
came to that conclusion was that Ptolemy

1112
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:01,180
could see constellations of her recorded

1113
00:47:05,070 --> 00:47:03,370
constellations that he couldn't see with

1114
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:05,080
his own eyes that they were they were

1115
00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:08,560
further south so Tommy must have had a

1116
00:47:15,570 --> 00:47:10,990
record they suggested or astronomer

1117
00:47:18,570 --> 00:47:15,580
suggests from a different place but I

1118
00:47:20,910 --> 00:47:18,580
would suggest that it wasn't a different

1119
00:47:22,290 --> 00:47:20,920
place per se it was a different time it

1120
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:22,300
was a different time in the Paleolithic

1121
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:26,710
record and there were other people that

1122
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:29,760
had somehow dived into it one of those

1123
00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:32,110
johannes hevelius the Polish astronomer

1124
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:34,750
and he had seven new northern

1125
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:36,610
constellations in there he has Lacerta

1126
00:47:42,270 --> 00:47:38,290
the lizard

1127
00:47:44,010 --> 00:47:42,280
he has Leo minor and my suggestion is he

1128
00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:44,020
didn't see this but he had a myth

1129
00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:45,820
because Leo minor would be the the

1130
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:48,430
lioness who's on the other side of Leo

1131
00:47:56,430 --> 00:47:52,690
from the Greek perspective so the in

1132
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,440
this Paleolithic perspective in the pale

1133
00:48:01,159 --> 00:47:58,319
actually in the pale of perspective

1134
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:01,169
we have this lioness looking out to the

1135
00:48:07,699 --> 00:48:05,160
lion but in Honus is inter petition

1136
00:48:09,859 --> 00:48:07,709
reputation Leo minor is on the other

1137
00:48:13,669 --> 00:48:09,869
side of the line and of course we have

1138
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:13,679
the Lynx would you be able to move the

1139
00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:18,209
Skype pop-up off screen if possible one

1140
00:48:26,689 --> 00:48:23,660
that's currently blocking johannes yeah

1141
00:48:29,659 --> 00:48:26,699
Mary oh thank you so that's Johannes so

1142
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:29,669
my suggestion is that your Hannes hadn't

1143
00:48:33,499 --> 00:48:31,169
visited the cave and he hadn't seen this

1144
00:48:35,539 --> 00:48:33,509
but he he had some sort of a record

1145
00:48:39,019 --> 00:48:35,549
whether it being myth or a globe or

1146
00:48:40,969 --> 00:48:39,029
something that people had recorded this

1147
00:48:42,979 --> 00:48:40,979
from an earlier time and not in this

1148
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:42,989
presentation but there's um there's dogs

1149
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:45,900
and foxes and other animals in there and

1150
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:48,209
so people were not that they were

1151
00:48:55,549 --> 00:48:51,569
reinventing things from the past and how

1152
00:48:57,769 --> 00:48:55,559
does this tie into the big bang so we

1153
00:48:59,659 --> 00:48:57,779
have in these constellations we have

1154
00:49:02,299 --> 00:48:59,669
these archetypal characters we have the

1155
00:49:04,339 --> 00:49:02,309
lion that sits at the top we have the

1156
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:04,349
hero which is the man who was was being

1157
00:49:11,659 --> 00:49:09,089
lifted by the the bottlenose dolphin we

1158
00:49:16,009 --> 00:49:11,669
have the Hercules character wearing the

1159
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:16,019
mask that transforms himself well the

1160
00:49:22,009 --> 00:49:19,079
big bang goes back to oh this concept of

1161
00:49:23,929 --> 00:49:22,019
the cosmic egg goes back to a deep time

1162
00:49:25,969 --> 00:49:23,939
and the cosmic egg is an archetype of

1163
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:25,979
character just as these animal

1164
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:27,689
characters or the teacher and the

1165
00:49:33,979 --> 00:49:30,569
apprentice and the cosmic mountain or

1166
00:49:35,929 --> 00:49:33,989
the river of transformation so whether

1167
00:49:38,359 --> 00:49:35,939
or not I can't say that there is a big

1168
00:49:42,499 --> 00:49:38,369
bang or than many other theories of the

1169
00:49:45,380 --> 00:49:42,509
cosmos but what I can say is that we

1170
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:45,390
came to the conclusion to go down the

1171
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,689
road of the Big Bang because of these

1172
00:49:52,849 --> 00:49:51,119
archetypal characters that are deep

1173
00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:52,859
within us and we can't escape them and

1174
00:49:58,729 --> 00:49:55,140
we were comfortable with this idea of

1175
00:50:01,390 --> 00:49:58,739
the Big Bang because it ties into things

1176
00:50:07,939 --> 00:50:01,400
that we recognize from a deeper time

1177
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:07,949
period and go to the next slide and we

1178
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:10,609
had we didn't do this in the previous

1179
00:50:13,310 --> 00:50:11,700
presentation

1180
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:13,320
we have the Ryan character who's being

1181
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:15,210
lifted by the bottomless dolphin and

1182
00:50:19,730 --> 00:50:17,970
that was time to thirty thirty four

1183
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:19,740
thousand years ago that image that we

1184
00:50:25,579 --> 00:50:22,650
just had with showing the the poletik

1185
00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:25,589
record versus the astronomy we can look

1186
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:28,560
if this is actually possible and down at

1187
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:29,849
the southern tip of the iberian

1188
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:32,010
peninsula during that time period the

1189
00:50:37,819 --> 00:50:34,530
most the highest that Orion was above

1190
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:37,829
the cut was above the horizon we can

1191
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:39,839
compare so the other image we showed was

1192
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:43,710
thirty was thirty 2000 BCE so thirty was

1193
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:44,910
that was thirty two four thousand years

1194
00:50:48,859 --> 00:50:47,130
ago we can go deeper in time to thirty

1195
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:48,869
four thousand and we can still see

1196
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:52,380
horizon or Ryan above the horizon then

1197
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,300
we go deeper thirty six we can't see him

1198
00:50:58,310 --> 00:50:55,920
at its highest point and thirty eight we

1199
00:51:01,280 --> 00:50:58,320
can't see it and so it's it's either

1200
00:51:04,490 --> 00:51:01,290
between the thirty-two and the 34 or

1201
00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:04,500
sometime after the forty thousand and

1202
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:07,700
the the dating of the gallery disk was

1203
00:51:12,589 --> 00:51:10,650
through some of those red discs and they

1204
00:51:17,059 --> 00:51:12,599
came up with about thirty four thousand

1205
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:17,069
years ago so the the astronomical record

1206
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:21,599
matches the chemical dating of the image

1207
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:26,160
itself so we can test we can test this

1208
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,480
image through precession and this is

1209
00:51:33,859 --> 00:51:31,920
from the southern tip of that Berrian

1210
00:51:37,609 --> 00:51:33,869
Peninsula and I don't believe that's

1211
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:37,619
ever been done before we can we build

1212
00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:39,480
computer models go back in time and the

1213
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:42,359
ancient Greeks hypothesized that there

1214
00:51:48,589 --> 00:51:45,839
is precession based on points that were

1215
00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:48,599
in a record from a not so distant time

1216
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:51,900
but to actually test something this far

1217
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:54,810
back of time is absolutely amazing and

1218
00:52:00,319 --> 00:51:57,930
of course the program comes from starry

1219
00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:00,329
night Pro seven which is generated by

1220
00:52:06,589 --> 00:52:03,900
the Jet Propulsion Laboratory people and

1221
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:06,599
that idea precession is that the the

1222
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:09,180
world or the the world spins around like

1223
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:12,180
a top on a twenty five thousand seven

1224
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:15,300
hundred year cycle and what we see below

1225
00:52:20,059 --> 00:52:17,460
the horizon today will be different than

1226
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:20,069
it was seen ten thousand years ago so

1227
00:52:24,380 --> 00:52:22,110
our view of the stars shifts

1228
00:52:26,090 --> 00:52:24,390
and that's why I Ryan from the

1229
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:26,100
perspective of the strip southern

1230
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:29,850
triplets tip the strategy vaulter he

1231
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:32,220
appears to go up and down it has to do

1232
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:36,330
this wobbling of the earth so did you

1233
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:39,570
say shifts or it's the shits shift oh

1234
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:42,630
yeah okay to make sure here's the shift

1235
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:45,240
he appears the chef I'm on an RCA

1236
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:46,710
connection so it's and it's not as clear

1237
00:52:53,420 --> 00:52:48,300
as it should be so I have to make sure

1238
00:52:55,340 --> 00:52:53,430
that's right and as this course goes

1239
00:52:58,250 --> 00:52:55,350
back to the work of Joseph Campbell and

1240
00:53:00,860 --> 00:52:58,260
the mythology and so on and we're not

1241
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:00,870
going to do that again and in the

1242
00:53:03,830 --> 00:53:02,370
earlier presentation that I had done we

1243
00:53:04,940 --> 00:53:03,840
talked about myths being passed through

1244
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:04,950
the seasons of the night skies

1245
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:07,650
constellations and stars projected man's

1246
00:53:11,930 --> 00:53:10,110
psyche into the cosmos these characters

1247
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:11,940
that are light-years from Earth but

1248
00:53:16,310 --> 00:53:13,650
still within the grasp of the human

1249
00:53:19,070 --> 00:53:16,320
imagination we're telling the same story

1250
00:53:21,830 --> 00:53:19,080
and what I appreciate about Brian's book

1251
00:53:24,850 --> 00:53:21,840
was that he's telling a story of

1252
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:24,860
struggle he's telling the story of

1253
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,500
jealousy and peer rivalry and everybody

1254
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:30,720
striving for the goal that you know the

1255
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,250
goal the gold itself and in the end it

1256
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:37,680
all falls apart and Brian emerges to

1257
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:39,510
recognize that it's not about the prize

1258
00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:42,690
itself but rather the journey of what he

1259
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:45,150
learned on the way and his book itself

1260
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:49,200
is sharing his hero's journey of his

1261
00:53:54,050 --> 00:53:52,200
experiences and his life story which was

1262
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:54,060
not just a professional life but his

1263
00:53:58,550 --> 00:53:56,010
family life as well and I really

1264
00:54:02,750 --> 00:53:58,560
appreciate how he he tied all those

1265
00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:02,760
together and this we talked going back

1266
00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:05,640
to the Big Bang and the this Great Auk

1267
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:08,040
and so is it really the chicken and the

1268
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:10,170
egg or is it the Great Auk or the egg

1269
00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:13,710
that came first and then this a more

1270
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:17,190
important concept is that is this myth

1271
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:22,890
of the cosmic egg one of a singularity

1272
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:26,450
in creation or of yearly renewal renewal

1273
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:30,110
the the the Great Auk laid its egg

1274
00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:33,480
late-may early-june which ties into the

1275
00:54:38,059 --> 00:54:35,220
biology of the other animals

1276
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:38,069
on the panel and at the same time Kurt I

1277
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:40,380
actually just predates them by a few

1278
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:43,890
weeks my suggestion is that the panel is

1279
00:54:51,050 --> 00:54:48,240
a story of yearly it's a year cycle of

1280
00:54:52,460 --> 00:54:51,060
the year as the constellations travel

1281
00:54:56,059 --> 00:54:52,470
for the year and tell this story and

1282
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,069
that at each point in the journey of the

1283
00:55:01,250 --> 00:54:59,280
hero when he swims across the Strait of

1284
00:55:04,220 --> 00:55:01,260
Gibraltar and he's raised by the

1285
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:04,230
Dolphins and he's assisted by these

1286
00:55:11,089 --> 00:55:07,650
animal beings he's counted them on the

1287
00:55:14,859 --> 00:55:11,099
earth and in the sky and that the

1288
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:14,869
stories told every year in the same way

1289
00:55:19,579 --> 00:55:17,609
just like so like Christmas we watched a

1290
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:19,589
little drummer boy and other similar

1291
00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:21,660
types of programs that we don't watch in

1292
00:55:29,930 --> 00:55:26,750
July and my my sense is that the this

1293
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:29,940
Great Auk was a character that they

1294
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:34,319
recognized in early June as dropping the

1295
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:38,310
cosmic egg and so that even though

1296
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:44,910
Lamont er brought the cosmic egg to

1297
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:47,160
create his hypothesis which we now call

1298
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:50,640
the Big Bang the myth before the myth

1299
00:55:56,780 --> 00:55:54,240
was really of yearly renewal in the same

1300
00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:56,790
way that we have Easter eggs rather than

1301
00:56:02,210 --> 00:55:59,640
a cosmic egg in itself and that later

1302
00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:02,220
later the ancients whether the Chinese

1303
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:05,150
the veneks a dog on and so forth they

1304
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:08,250
they changed the story to make it an

1305
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:12,900
actual singular start of time when the

1306
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:17,490
Paladin lithic version was a yearly

1307
00:56:21,620 --> 00:56:19,740
cycle that would give the impression

1308
00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:21,630
that everything was create at one time

1309
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:24,359
but in fact it's a yearly cycle of the

1310
00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:27,210
constellations which is kind of a slight

1311
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:30,980
twist to the cosmic end big story I

1312
00:56:38,180 --> 00:56:34,050
mentioned this in the interview with

1313
00:56:42,730 --> 00:56:38,190
Brian that I'm you know cosmic egg I'm

1314
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:42,740
kind of a proponent of the whole were

1315
00:56:47,530 --> 00:56:44,690
this

1316
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:47,540
we were kind of like [\h__\h] out by fourth

1317
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:49,130
dimension and where we are a

1318
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:51,250
three-dimensional hologram in a

1319
00:56:57,820 --> 00:56:53,720
three-dimensional black hole or a

1320
00:57:00,070 --> 00:56:57,830
four-dimensional black hole as what

1321
00:57:05,890 --> 00:57:00,080
Leonard Susskind he state or at least he

1322
00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:05,900
theorizes that the idea of 3d

1323
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,750
information being converted from voxels

1324
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:10,640
to pixels in a black hole the

1325
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:12,290
information is still there but the

1326
00:57:17,740 --> 00:57:14,930
overall mass is kind of gone so same

1327
00:57:19,450 --> 00:57:17,750
concept I could be way off but that's

1328
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:19,460
kind of the same thing I think to a

1329
00:57:25,450 --> 00:57:22,010
certain extent well that's an

1330
00:57:30,270 --> 00:57:25,460
interesting idea I believe that there

1331
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:30,280
are very few new ideas and you know

1332
00:57:37,810 --> 00:57:35,510
Brian's a straw a Development Jew and I

1333
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:37,820
believe this ties back into his as well

1334
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:39,770
ecclesiastes a credit of course to

1335
00:57:43,660 --> 00:57:42,110
Solomon and what has been been will be

1336
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:43,670
again what has been done will be done

1337
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:45,730
again there's nothing new Under the Sun

1338
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:50,510
and it's we can build microchips and

1339
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:52,370
spaceships noise these things which are

1340
00:57:57,700 --> 00:57:55,850
new in our time but the foundations of

1341
00:57:59,260 --> 00:57:57,710
the basic knowledge of what we think and

1342
00:58:02,170 --> 00:57:59,270
what we believe and what we feel

1343
00:58:04,210 --> 00:58:02,180
I believe they go back for a very long

1344
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:04,220
time that there are now psyche min these

1345
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:06,410
archetypal characters and to break away

1346
00:58:13,930 --> 00:58:09,170
from the archetypal characters is so

1347
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:13,940
difficult to do that we it's amazing

1348
00:58:21,310 --> 00:58:17,090
that that the cosmic or the big bang was

1349
00:58:23,950 --> 00:58:21,320
taken on so quickly when it was when I

1350
00:58:24,370 --> 00:58:23,960
first was a well the manager came out

1351
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:24,380
with it

1352
00:58:27,790 --> 00:58:26,690
people just flirt was nuts and they just

1353
00:58:30,430 --> 00:58:27,800
said well it's just you know that the

1354
00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:30,440
Catholics trying to reap itch

1355
00:58:34,690 --> 00:58:32,390
creationism and its so-called scientists

1356
00:58:35,860 --> 00:58:34,700
at the time said no no no no

1357
00:58:37,540 --> 00:58:35,870
well they said no we're not going to

1358
00:58:41,310 --> 00:58:37,550
deal with this thing and only to later

1359
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:41,320
that they adopted partly when Einstein

1360
00:58:48,540 --> 00:58:45,710
jumped on board but the and other and

1361
00:58:50,830 --> 00:58:48,550
Hubble and Hubble also observe the

1362
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:50,840
expansion of the universe through the

1363
00:58:56,410 --> 00:58:54,050
telescope which validated the

1364
00:58:57,940 --> 00:58:56,420
mathematical equations that the Manta

1365
00:59:01,420 --> 00:58:57,950
had come up with

1366
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:01,430
so so it goes back to your point was can

1367
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:03,710
we really create theoretically create

1368
00:59:08,890 --> 00:59:07,010
something new or we still tied to these

1369
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:08,900
archetypes in the past that are still

1370
00:59:17,500 --> 00:59:12,890
within us and I don't think we can

1371
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:17,510
change well essentially like we're doing

1372
00:59:20,350 --> 00:59:18,650
is just regurgitating the same

1373
00:59:22,510 --> 00:59:20,360
information in different ways or in

1374
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:22,520
different sayings if I if I say

1375
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:26,240
fourth-dimensional you know whatever you

1376
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:32,720
say cosmic egg did you know by

1377
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:34,370
biological entity growing off of a

1378
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,810
grapevine versus apple same or orange I

1379
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:39,920
would say that that would probably the

1380
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:42,490
best metaphor um

1381
00:59:47,020 --> 00:59:45,890
who knows did what John Ward said it

1382
00:59:48,610 --> 00:59:47,030
best I've said it a couple of times and

1383
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:48,620
it actually is kind of a good thing we

1384
00:59:52,090 --> 00:59:50,810
don't know we weren't there and if we

1385
00:59:56,170 --> 00:59:52,100
were but probably would have been blown

1386
00:59:59,140 --> 00:59:56,180
to bits or correct the the smallest bits

1387
01:00:00,520 --> 00:59:59,150
humanly imaginable the closest we can

1388
01:00:03,010 --> 01:00:00,530
get is like moments before the Big Bang

1389
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:03,020
and obviously if if new imaging

1390
01:00:09,250 --> 01:00:06,050
techniques are successful we may get a

1391
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:09,260
closer idea of exactly what the heck

1392
01:00:16,540 --> 01:00:13,250
where we come from and you'll have

1393
01:00:17,770 --> 01:00:16,550
religious people that will states

1394
01:00:19,930 --> 01:00:17,780
okay well it's it's definitely the work

1395
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:19,940
of God you'll have scientists who are

1396
01:00:26,890 --> 01:00:23,090
hard science who believe in hard science

1397
01:00:28,900 --> 01:00:26,900
who will state no it's you know this is

1398
01:00:32,620 --> 01:00:28,910
something that was born of physics or it

1399
01:00:33,820 --> 01:00:32,630
was came from singularity like at the at

1400
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:33,830
the end of the day we're trying to

1401
01:00:38,170 --> 01:00:35,930
define something that's so much larger

1402
01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:38,180
and so much older than us that we can't

1403
01:00:45,850 --> 01:00:41,150
conceive it beyond a few ideas and

1404
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:45,860
concepts and metaphors like he were we

1405
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:47,210
can build those microchips and those

1406
01:00:53,070 --> 01:00:48,710
spaceships at the end of the day where

1407
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,080
we're a species as dumb as [\h__\h] like we

1408
01:00:59,470 --> 01:00:56,000
collectively the most powerful country

1409
01:01:02,530 --> 01:00:59,480
on the planet elected a guy who this

1410
01:01:03,850 --> 01:01:02,540
morning went on a TV show and you know

1411
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:03,860
God is lawyer into trouble and probably

1412
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:05,090
a time got himself into legal trouble

1413
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:06,650
and he's running the free world like

1414
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:08,450
this is this is the the reality we live

1415
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:10,160
in and yet we can do all these great

1416
01:01:13,050 --> 01:01:11,050
wonders

1417
01:01:17,370 --> 01:01:13,060
and yet we're trying to be able to put

1418
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:17,380
define what creation is and the most we

1419
01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:20,050
can get to is an abstract idea that's

1420
01:01:23,180 --> 01:01:21,670
the most we can really hope for until we

1421
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:23,190
can actually get certifiable

1422
01:01:33,450 --> 01:01:29,280
quantifiable proof of what it is and I'm

1423
01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:33,460
the idea of trying to recreate the wheel

1424
01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:37,990
as it were or nothing's like nothing has

1425
01:01:43,050 --> 01:01:40,540
ever Anu no it's just different

1426
01:01:45,210 --> 01:01:43,060
iterations at infinite and that's what

1427
01:01:47,420 --> 01:01:45,220
the universe is it's it's constantly

1428
01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:47,430
multiplying we're constantly growing and

1429
01:01:53,790 --> 01:01:50,020
some of its can look the same some of it

1430
01:01:59,070 --> 01:01:53,800
can be really [\h__\h] weird and how do

1431
01:02:00,480 --> 01:01:59,080
we know that one wolf or none of the

1432
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:00,490
explanations that have been provided to

1433
01:02:08,730 --> 01:02:06,160
date are true we don't correct well

1434
01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:08,740
guess what they they're there we can't

1435
01:02:12,540 --> 01:02:10,030
say that they're the truth of what

1436
01:02:14,730 --> 01:02:12,550
happened back then we can say that the

1437
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:14,740
truth to ourselves we're all seeking

1438
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:16,650
answers to where we came from

1439
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:18,570
that's what the search for the

1440
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:20,530
explanation of story the meant that a

1441
01:02:24,510 --> 01:02:22,450
cosmic egg is as well as the search to

1442
01:02:26,910 --> 01:02:24,520
find the Big Bang it's where do we come

1443
01:02:29,610 --> 01:02:26,920
from and what are we doing here then

1444
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:29,620
where do we go from here and I believe

1445
01:02:35,730 --> 01:02:32,530
that there is a that's where the the

1446
01:02:37,770 --> 01:02:35,740
lines of spirituality and science cross

1447
01:02:40,050 --> 01:02:37,780
although people on both sides might not

1448
01:02:44,610 --> 01:02:40,060
agree with that but it just really is

1449
01:02:46,170 --> 01:02:44,620
someone asked me recently of all this

1450
01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:46,180
work we do and all these ideas that we

1451
01:02:49,170 --> 01:02:47,710
have and all these things that we move

1452
01:02:50,820 --> 01:02:49,180
forward and and looking back into the

1453
01:02:52,620 --> 01:02:50,830
pale of the record we now see that we

1454
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:52,630
haven't really changed that much of fact

1455
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,450
we borrowed the myths from cavemen

1456
01:03:01,890 --> 01:02:58,000
thirty four thousand years ago via the

1457
01:03:04,860 --> 01:03:01,900
Greeks and Egyptians and others and this

1458
01:03:09,150 --> 01:03:04,870
is how kind of a metaphor as I can see

1459
01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:09,160
it is that all this everything that

1460
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:11,590
happens is a stream and all these these

1461
01:03:14,850 --> 01:03:13,330
archetypes needs metaphors and these

1462
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:14,860
mats are just being carried by the

1463
01:03:22,250 --> 01:03:18,960
stream and they determine who we are and

1464
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:22,260
you know you and I we can have this

1465
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:24,610
fascinating discussion as well

1466
01:03:31,260 --> 01:03:28,510
Brian and in the end we're just putting

1467
01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:31,270
out hand in the stream for a moment and

1468
01:03:35,250 --> 01:03:32,980
maybe we could throw a few rocks and Dam

1469
01:03:37,830 --> 01:03:35,260
it up and we can hold we can hold back

1470
01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:37,840
the flow but in the end the flow is

1471
01:03:41,610 --> 01:03:39,640
gonna carry through and all this

1472
01:03:44,490 --> 01:03:41,620
information from the past will continue

1473
01:03:46,110 --> 01:03:44,500
on and the information that we have

1474
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:46,120
today will someday be buried in the

1475
01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:48,490
stands sands or destroyed in an

1476
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:50,470
earthquake or some sort of cosmic

1477
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:53,650
explosion and that we really can't

1478
01:03:59,520 --> 01:03:57,130
change the flow of the stream we can

1479
01:04:04,620 --> 01:03:59,530
only put out hands and promote it and

1480
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:04,630
watch it go around us but it's timeless

1481
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:08,110
and I believe that the you know I really

1482
01:04:11,030 --> 01:04:09,280
appreciate the work of Brian his

1483
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:11,040
colleagues and the book that he wrote

1484
01:04:16,410 --> 01:04:14,170
that he he's going deeper to explore

1485
01:04:20,250 --> 01:04:16,420
questions that most of us don't have the

1486
01:04:23,610 --> 01:04:20,260
capacity to even consider and he's

1487
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:23,620
thinking of novel ways to prove his

1488
01:04:29,550 --> 01:04:28,330
theories and I it's you know it's great

1489
01:04:33,530 --> 01:04:29,560
to have people like Brian in out

1490
01:04:36,750 --> 01:04:33,540
presence and to connect with them I'm

1491
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:36,760
appreciative of his patience you can

1492
01:04:41,010 --> 01:04:39,520
tell he's he's had a few kids and it's

1493
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:41,020
okay he's been there he's done that he's

1494
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:43,090
he's taken his lumps and he understands

1495
01:04:47,310 --> 01:04:44,890
what adversity is and he's willing to

1496
01:04:50,010 --> 01:04:47,320
you know be able to face adversity to

1497
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:50,020
try and find as close to the truth as

1498
01:04:55,170 --> 01:04:51,970
possible or at least the truth to him

1499
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:55,180
and I've got you know my truth and at

1500
01:04:58,650 --> 01:04:56,410
the end of the day I'm like okay well

1501
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:58,660
you know that was 12 seven billion years

1502
01:05:01,080 --> 01:04:59,680
ago I'm not really gonna worry about it

1503
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:01,090
too much but at the same time it's cool

1504
01:05:06,330 --> 01:05:03,970
to know what about you are you proponent

1505
01:05:09,060 --> 01:05:06,340
of the cosmic egg do you think we were

1506
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:09,070
you know eaten by a dragon not what's

1507
01:05:15,090 --> 01:05:12,880
your metaphor what what's your truth so

1508
01:05:16,770 --> 01:05:15,100
I don't think there's number of

1509
01:05:19,620 --> 01:05:16,780
different cosmic egg stories and they

1510
01:05:22,890 --> 01:05:19,630
finally had the same the same true sin

1511
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:22,900
and not just myths but artifacts around

1512
01:05:30,810 --> 01:05:28,480
the world so I believe that they're all

1513
01:05:34,340 --> 01:05:30,820
truths in them and that there is an

1514
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:34,350
element of truth in all the myths that

1515
01:05:37,980 --> 01:05:37,510
we're truck we're seeking to understand

1516
01:05:40,890 --> 01:05:37,990
our

1517
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:40,900
existence where we came from where we go

1518
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:43,450
and people I was listening to a podcast

1519
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:46,500
the other day about from a skeptic

1520
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:50,770
atheist and he was you know deciding you

1521
01:05:57,810 --> 01:05:53,200
know should he believe in an afterlife

1522
01:06:00,690 --> 01:05:57,820
or not and he says you know of course we

1523
01:06:04,650 --> 01:06:00,700
want to do the best we are in this world

1524
01:06:07,020 --> 01:06:04,660
that were not gambling or hedging our

1525
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:07,030
bets for something the future and maybe

1526
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:09,130
that's a reason itself not to believe in

1527
01:06:14,430 --> 01:06:12,010
an afterlife however but let's look at

1528
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:14,440
from another perspective whether you

1529
01:06:21,780 --> 01:06:17,760
believe that at the moment of your death

1530
01:06:25,140 --> 01:06:21,790
your your synapses are going for 10

1531
01:06:27,420 --> 01:06:25,150
seconds or eternity because it really is

1532
01:06:30,750 --> 01:06:27,430
the same thing for you what is the last

1533
01:06:32,070 --> 01:06:30,760
thing that you want to see because the

1534
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:32,080
last thing goes through your mind is

1535
01:06:35,730 --> 01:06:33,310
that last thing that goes to your mind

1536
01:06:42,050 --> 01:06:35,740
is your attorney whether it's 10 seconds

1537
01:06:45,690 --> 01:06:42,060
or some time we can't even imagine it so

1538
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:45,700
where do you see Chris what do you want

1539
01:06:49,740 --> 01:06:47,530
to see in those lasts that last second

1540
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:49,750
where's that final thought that you want

1541
01:06:57,980 --> 01:06:51,970
that you're gonna carry to eternity with

1542
01:07:01,470 --> 01:06:57,990
you my wife's warm bountiful bosom I

1543
01:07:05,099 --> 01:07:01,480
love her to death and call me

1544
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:05,109
old-fashioned being held by her is

1545
01:07:12,570 --> 01:07:10,240
probably the most calming and reassuring

1546
01:07:14,340 --> 01:07:12,580
thing that you can have whether you're

1547
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:14,350
out at the end of a long day just you

1548
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:16,210
know just give her you give your partner

1549
01:07:22,140 --> 01:07:19,810
a hug and you know that's like to me

1550
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:22,150
that that is that's true that's more of

1551
01:07:32,070 --> 01:07:29,970
but for me it's it's that idea of you

1552
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:32,080
know peace feeling at home feeling that

1553
01:07:40,050 --> 01:07:34,570
you know that that constant reassurance

1554
01:07:41,250 --> 01:07:40,060
of belonging and not even like not even

1555
01:07:47,030 --> 01:07:41,260
the fact that you belong somewhere just

1556
01:07:49,890 --> 01:07:47,040
that you know where you belong like that

1557
01:07:51,810 --> 01:07:49,900
that's your habit pretty well yeah and

1558
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:51,820
that's that can be the heavy

1559
01:07:56,190 --> 01:07:54,730
of so my Hemet heaven is fairly similar

1560
01:08:01,500 --> 01:07:56,200
to yours but of course it's not your

1561
01:08:02,820 --> 01:08:01,510
wife and I sure as hell know what's

1562
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:02,830
really the warmth of family that's

1563
01:08:07,530 --> 01:08:04,450
really what it comes down to to being

1564
01:08:10,980 --> 01:08:07,540
surrounded by family and whether or not

1565
01:08:13,890 --> 01:08:10,990
that is you know for ten seconds for an

1566
01:08:18,180 --> 01:08:13,900
attorney it's the same thing it is what

1567
01:08:22,170 --> 01:08:18,190
your final moments are how we carry them

1568
01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:22,180
for us and that's a so you've had you

1569
01:08:28,530 --> 01:08:24,190
know you've had Bryan's you've had

1570
01:08:31,470 --> 01:08:28,540
Bryan's program and his book was of

1571
01:08:34,260 --> 01:08:31,480
course losing the Nobel in - before Ryan

1572
01:08:36,270 --> 01:08:34,270
flying the face of the hero and we take

1573
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:36,280
many of the same journey before Ryan

1574
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:39,130
comm Instagram Facebook before Ryan

1575
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:41,440
Twitter Burnie tail or our YouTube

1576
01:08:46,730 --> 01:08:45,010
before Oh Ryan dot-com and I use hashtag

1577
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:46,740
before Ryan and just about everything

1578
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:51,730
and so people can connect it connect

1579
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:52,330
with those

1580
01:09:01,050 --> 01:08:58,000
so I'm now I've got you I can't see you

1581
01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:01,060
if I hit stop stop shower screen and

1582
01:09:06,300 --> 01:09:04,510
you'll be able to see me yes well I see

1583
01:09:08,670 --> 01:09:06,310
the dinner of Laura logo but that's okay

1584
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:08,680
Joe I'm seeing the reflection of the the

1585
01:09:13,860 --> 01:09:10,330
light on the wall through through the

1586
01:09:15,570 --> 01:09:13,870
curtain here I've got idea but with with

1587
01:09:18,150 --> 01:09:15,580
the preparation that we had I should say

1588
01:09:21,420 --> 01:09:18,160
I had trying to get on the air where

1589
01:09:24,539 --> 01:09:21,430
we'd actually have sound for you know

1590
01:09:29,099 --> 01:09:24,549
actual sound there's a lot of wires back

1591
01:09:32,010 --> 01:09:29,109
there now I gotta clean it's all it's a

1592
01:09:35,099 --> 01:09:32,020
building process your journey to become

1593
01:09:37,460 --> 01:09:35,109
a podcaster without a separate person

1594
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,470
running the controls is pretty amazing

1595
01:09:41,370 --> 01:09:39,520
you're becoming more teching what are

1596
01:09:43,650 --> 01:09:41,380
your strengths add some hot cast so he's

1597
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:43,660
actually a graphic design no one has

1598
01:09:49,650 --> 01:09:46,290
better graphic design out there than you

1599
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:49,660
and it's you know we all appreciate the

1600
01:09:55,650 --> 01:09:54,370
the image that you portray of us well

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you know I just try and say okay well

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what what looks cool what's gonna get

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01:10:02,520 --> 01:09:58,750
people's attention what what is going to

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01:10:04,810 --> 01:10:02,530
inspire individuals and you know the

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01:10:07,209 --> 01:10:04,820
especially the viewers at home

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01:10:10,450 --> 01:10:07,219
they know they know how hard it is to do

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01:10:15,220 --> 01:10:10,460
this some people they'll have Joe

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01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:15,230
Rogan's got Jamie who you know he's a

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01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:17,329
wizard he like during shows he will

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01:10:22,899 --> 01:10:21,199
upload video that the clips of the show

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01:10:25,209 --> 01:10:22,909
that the juror would experience clips as

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01:10:26,530 --> 01:10:25,219
the shows going on so you will get clips

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01:10:28,629 --> 01:10:26,540
from the beginning of the show for like

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01:10:30,819 --> 01:10:28,639
you know 10 15 minutes like this is a

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01:10:34,990 --> 01:10:30,829
cool part while the shows you know in

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01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:35,000
its second or third hour being able to

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01:10:38,589 --> 01:10:36,800
do that while also do research while

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01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:38,599
chatting while doing you know holding a

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01:10:41,339 --> 01:10:40,130
full conversation with somebody didn't

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01:10:44,979 --> 01:10:41,349
try to make sure that it's engaging

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01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:44,989
mm-hmm yeah oh man well if anybody lives

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01:10:50,379 --> 01:10:47,360
in Ottawa thank you looking for an

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01:10:52,419 --> 01:10:50,389
intern Lee or or when Lee gets as

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01:10:54,220 --> 01:10:52,429
monitors well we'll finally get some you

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01:10:58,209 --> 01:10:54,230
know get crackin but for anybody who's

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01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:58,219
at home you Mike's new preamp new noise

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01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:01,280
gate which means getting episode audio

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01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:03,199
episodes up faster better mastering

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01:11:08,350 --> 01:11:06,770
on-the-fly mastering as you know quickly

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01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:08,360
as I can figure out exactly what the

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01:11:13,899 --> 01:11:11,690
heck went wrong but it's you know like

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01:11:15,729 --> 01:11:13,909
if you're running an experiment and

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01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:15,739
things don't turn out the way that they

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01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:20,000
you expected even though this missus ran

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01:11:24,669 --> 01:11:22,489
a hundred percent right and then on the

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01:11:26,740 --> 01:11:24,679
actual lie you know on the test that

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01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:26,750
it's supposed to be demonstration to

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01:11:30,580 --> 01:11:28,610
your peers everything goes right to [\h__\h]

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01:11:31,839 --> 01:11:30,590
like I know scientists who my sister has

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01:11:33,939 --> 01:11:31,849
probably had stuff like that happen

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01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:33,949
she's a chemist or was a chemist

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01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:37,130
she knows scientists who have had the

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01:11:41,410 --> 01:11:39,770
exact same thing happened with them it

1644
01:11:42,819 --> 01:11:41,420
was obviously you know hundreds of

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01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:42,829
thousands of dollars of taxpayer have

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01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:45,110
been research grants that were kind of

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01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:49,520
blown but the ideas is is to be able to

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01:11:55,180 --> 01:11:50,960
overcome that adversity and it's the

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01:11:56,979 --> 01:11:55,190
same message that that Brian is trying

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01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:56,989
to communicate and through through his

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01:11:59,740 --> 01:11:58,130
book and through his lessons he's trying

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01:12:01,330 --> 01:11:59,750
to he's trying to change the world and

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01:12:02,379 --> 01:12:01,340
change the work for better just like

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01:12:06,660 --> 01:12:02,389
they're trying to change the world for

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01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:06,670
better by by showing a more positive

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01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:10,250
aspect or or archetype and I know that

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01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:11,360
like we've talked about thought on the

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01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:13,010
last show we've I talked about that with

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01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:15,530
with Laura who I was a friend of yours

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01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:16,810
and and

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01:12:30,100 --> 01:12:20,510
if anything that we talk about usually

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01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:30,110
was leads back to young and yes they

1663
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:33,020
were there are geniuses among us that

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01:12:38,140 --> 01:12:36,080
are far beyond what we could imagine or

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01:12:40,209 --> 01:12:38,150
geniuses that have been and I believe

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01:12:45,610 --> 01:12:40,219
these pelleted artists were phenomenal

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01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:45,620
geniuses and we we and as people like

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01:12:49,930 --> 01:12:48,560
young as well oh yeah you had you have

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01:12:53,340 --> 01:12:49,940
individuals who understand who

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01:12:57,340 --> 01:12:53,350
understood the aspects of the psyche and

1671
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:57,350
I didn't understand the concepts as well

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01:13:02,709 --> 01:12:58,570
then as I do now

1673
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:02,719
mm-hmm but it essentially be that what I

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01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:05,090
basically figured out from our entire

1675
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:06,560
talk as well as from from the many talks

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01:13:11,950 --> 01:13:08,290
with that I had with with Laura over

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01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:11,960
Laura London over social media it it's

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01:13:15,010 --> 01:13:12,890
the understanding of the different

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01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:15,020
aspects in this of the psyche of each

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01:13:19,959 --> 01:13:17,930
individual and understanding that there

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01:13:21,940 --> 01:13:19,969
are there is good on us there's bad in

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01:13:24,490 --> 01:13:21,950
us and to be able to recognize that so

1683
01:13:26,350 --> 01:13:24,500
you can actually be that you can have

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01:13:27,550 --> 01:13:26,360
something positive to the world that you

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01:13:33,190 --> 01:13:27,560
know to the human experience and not

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01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:33,200
just take away from it exactly that is a

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01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:38,090
good summary of of things we this is a

1688
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:40,250
great show Chris I'm looking forward to

1689
01:13:45,130 --> 01:13:43,280
that the edited version that you splice

1690
01:13:47,860 --> 01:13:45,140
it all together and put it out there to

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01:13:50,500 --> 01:13:47,870
the world until I add like the video

1692
01:13:52,090 --> 01:13:50,510
effects and the flames behind me because

1693
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:52,100
they learn the Freemason t-shirts so you

1694
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:55,250
don't go to deep state yo got a go

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01:14:02,770 --> 01:14:01,040
represent I'm with you oh my Bernie

1696
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:02,780
Taylor Illuminati confirmed ladies and

1697
01:14:08,290 --> 01:14:07,010
gentlemen next week on the show you know

1698
01:14:12,570 --> 01:14:08,300
I actually while we were getting this

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01:14:14,380 --> 01:14:12,580
show our our guest for next week his

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01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:14,390
yesyes he's a friend of mine he's a

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01:14:18,450 --> 01:14:15,890
client of mine he's probably one of the

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01:14:21,340 --> 01:14:18,460
most positive influences in my life he

1703
01:14:24,610 --> 01:14:21,350
helped me quit smoking and I've been in

1704
01:14:26,469 --> 01:14:24,620
a 20-year smoker and it's thought his

1705
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:26,479
partner has

1706
01:14:31,719 --> 01:14:29,840
well is is battling an illness and next

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01:14:35,890 --> 01:14:31,729
week unfortunately I'm gonna have to

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01:14:36,850 --> 01:14:35,900
gonna have to find a new guest so I

1709
01:14:38,890 --> 01:14:36,860
don't know what you're doing on Friday

1710
01:14:40,540 --> 01:14:38,900
but if you want to come in and talk some

1711
01:14:44,379 --> 01:14:40,550
philosophy in a roundtable I might I

1712
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:44,389
might be able to put that together this

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01:14:54,189 --> 01:14:47,840
Friday well not not tomorrow like next

1714
01:14:58,479 --> 01:14:54,199
week next week Friday I will be in a

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01:14:58,810 --> 01:14:58,489
very tropical place you lucky son of a

1716
01:15:00,939 --> 01:14:58,820
gun

1717
01:15:02,109 --> 01:15:00,949
you know trust me I don't I would never

1718
01:15:05,140 --> 01:15:02,119
take that away from anybody for the

1719
01:15:08,529 --> 01:15:05,150
world enjoy the presentation on

1720
01:15:10,959 --> 01:15:08,539
astronomy in summer warm in in the

1721
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:10,969
middle of spring you're you're on the

1722
01:15:15,850 --> 01:15:12,170
west coast so you don't get the same

1723
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,860
winners we had we just reached above two

1724
01:15:21,330 --> 01:15:17,840
digits for the first time this week in

1725
01:15:24,819 --> 01:15:21,340
like six months so go go enjoy yourself

1726
01:15:26,430 --> 01:15:24,829
but for anybody who's out there I'm

1727
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:26,440
gonna be releasing the new lineup soon

1728
01:15:31,689 --> 01:15:28,550
probably within the next couple of days

1729
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:31,699
it'll be on patreon and I'm gonna

1730
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:33,440
hopefully have a new video uploaded for

1731
01:15:36,370 --> 01:15:34,489
tomorrow I've got some work I gotta get

1732
01:15:38,879 --> 01:15:36,380
done tonight and tomorrow but definite

1733
01:15:41,069 --> 01:15:38,889
by the weekend ladies and gents and

1734
01:15:43,299 --> 01:15:41,079
Bernie it's it's always a pleasure

1735
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:43,309
you've been a big friend of the show

1736
01:15:48,370 --> 01:15:45,199
you've you've helped me learn a lot

1737
01:15:49,629 --> 01:15:48,380
about myself with our talks and I got to

1738
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:49,639
say thank you for much for inviting me

1739
01:15:55,359 --> 01:15:53,449
and introducing me to to Brian and for

1740
01:15:56,739 --> 01:15:55,369
for your support it you know we would we

1741
01:15:59,439 --> 01:15:56,749
wouldn't be able to exist without fans

1742
01:16:02,350 --> 01:15:59,449
like yourself who also like to learn

1743
01:16:03,939 --> 01:16:02,360
cool [\h__\h] and teach cool [\h__\h] thank you

1744
01:16:05,410 --> 01:16:03,949
for having me on again it's always a

1745
01:16:08,890 --> 01:16:05,420
pleasure thank you very much ladies and

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01:16:11,229 --> 01:16:08,900
gents have yourself a good night and you